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| iraqi torture [message #963 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 11:32  |
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03:36pm Jun 1, 2004
ARE WE THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES WE CALL BEASTS? WHAT MAKES THE UNITED STATES " ...THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" WHEN WE TREAT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTRY WE ACCUSED OF BEING ONE OF " THE AXIS OF EVIL" ?
WHATEVER YOUR BELIEF OR FAITH, I PRAY THAT A HIGHER POWER RESCUE US ALL FROM OURSELVES... FROM OUR OWN EVIL.
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| Makes me sick [message #964 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 11:38 |
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04:06pm Jun 1, 2004
All this F....ing fuss about some scummy Uraqs TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY FING DID TO NICK BURG!!!! The LOUZY FUCKS CUT HIS HEAD OFF LIVE ON CAMERA!!!!
CHECK KAZAA if you dont beleave me not only was it cut off but it took 15 sec to do it... And the Press Never said a thing...
Now Let me see head Slowly cut off with knife or a pair of nickers put over head...ATLEAST WE LET THEM LIVE AND THEY WILL ONE DAY GET BACK TO THERE LOVE ONES (MORE THE SHAIM!!!)
WAKE FUCKING UP!!!
WE ANT HARD ENOUGTH ON THESE FUCKS!!!!!
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| If only [message #966 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 11:42 |
Meyer, Salvelio
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02:31am Jun 4, 2004
After Reading Pedro?s most recent editorial, and having lived through the worst years of Apartheid in South Africa, one very interesting thought came to my mind.
Would the Apartheid regime in South Africa have lasted as long as it did, and have fooled as many people in South Africa, at that time, had digital technology been available to the man on the street as it is now?
It is only now, thanks to film footage and photographs taken by both the state and those who fought against it, that the true horrors of the Apartheid machine are coming to light.
I?m sure that with camera phones, the internet and other instruments we have today, Nelson Mandela would have been a free man long before 1994 and so would this great country that we live in.
Those who now and always have used the media for their own gain, must realise that out there there are normal people who do not belong to large corporations, but who now have the power to record, be it in images or words, moments that in the past would have simply been shelved and marked as ?Top Secret?.
Big Brother is more alive now than ever before, and he is all around us.
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| On the INTENTION of torture photos [message #969 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 11:49 |
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07:39am Jun 17, 2004
I believe you are correct that these images will become icons of these times and abuses. What strikes me is how these photos sent shocks of outrage around the world, upsetting people of all political persuasions. Surely these are not the most terrifying images of war that we have seen, nor do they depict the worst atrocities. There are many, far worse events daily that are witnessed by conscientious professional photographers -- but professional photojournalism has sadly become "normal" in the endless feed of information and images. We've become numb to too many everyday abuses. What set these torture photos apart, I think, and what makes them so outrageous, is the intention of the photographers -- this was not the work of someone outraged or acting as a witness. These are trophy photos by people who are proud of what they have done (are doing). They are gleefully participating in this outrage, and that is what makes the photos so shocking and offensive.
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| Nauseating Reality, Needs To Include, Barbaric Beheadings [message #970 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:33 |
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05:42pm Jun 18, 2004
They had the sympathy, of the world, until they started beheading people!!!
The pictures, of war crimes, committed, should have been part of the investigation and prosecution, not made public!
Now, start your editorial pictures, with those of the Barbarians, beheading innocent Americans!
How well, do the people that made the abuse, a public affair, sleep? They, have virtually caused the horrid retaliation,
at the cost of innocent,Americans!
Instead, of leaving the punishment, of war crimes, up to the courts, others suffer the consequence!
If the need, felt to publish those photos,was so important,
do we, now have the need for avenging, atrocities committed, against Mr. Berg,Mr Johnson and the over 300,000 people found, in mass graves?
The need to humanize,the face of terrorist,succeeded for a very short time! Yet,of their own doing,for eternity, the Barbaric terrorists, remain mindless animals, with no regard for human life!
Have A Blessed Day!!!,
LaRene Raulerson
Proud To Be An American!!!
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| Some thoughts for Glenn to consider [message #971 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:37 |
Pedro Meyer
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05:39pm Jun 24, 2004
Dear Glenn,
I value your thoughts and considerations, and leave you to consider that there is nothing wrong in making it clear what one's opinions are, for instance in what has now happened with the invasion of Americans in Iraq.
I stand fully behind my statements and my political agenda, if you want to call it that, as being absolutely against the war. I have no doubts about this. What might be wrong are all the pretensions of assuming an absence of a criteria when in fact the US media of every stripe has had nothing but their own political agendas all the time. Let us at least be candid about this,
Please continue with your participation and involvement. The discussions of such topics is what makes this into a community and therefore we welcome it.
Pedro
Publisher of ZoneZero
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| We are not the same.. [message #972 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:39 |
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09:13am Jun 28, 2004
The fact that terrorist had done what they did is not in any ways a grant to torture and brutalize as those pictures show. People in those images doing what they are doing are no more than Psychotics and Schizophrenics with uniforms. If we (I'm not North American but a citizen of the world) behave as terrorist do then we happened to be the same.
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| digital cameras [message #973 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:43 |
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10:52am Jun 30, 2004
think the easy access to digital cameras in the hands of people in the 'right place at the right time' will find their way to media outlets and form another stream of news. there is always the danger of fraudulent images being created once this gains momentum. content will proceed quality. who will question the validity of the imagery, i don't know!
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| Artist/writer [message #974 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:47 |
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10:54am Jul 9, 2004
No scandalous image or for that matter behavior will make a mark or even slow down the agenda, not in here in what Gore Vidal calls the United States of Amnesia. We've fallen over the brink...and even if the D.P. wins (again), there we are nonetheless.
God help America.
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| When viewing these graphic photographes of torture. [message #975 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:48 |
Pedro Meyer
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06:08pm Jul 19, 2004
When viewing these graphic photographes of torture.
I couldn't help but think of Pier Paolo Pasolini... Salò or the 120 Days of Sodom.
I have added a link to an essay on the last film made by Pasolini.
( statement by one of our viewers who placed the message in the wrong address). no name, or address.
http://www.opsonicindex.org/salo/salsny.html
Publisher of ZoneZero
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| Re: The icons of this war... [message #976 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 15:51 |
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02:14am Dec 31, 2004
I am very glad you posted this other than its kinda sad
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| Re: The icons of this war... [message #982 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Fri, 27 May 2005 17:50 |
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Wars used to be fought for honor, pride, land, to protect the people, it was fought for freedom. Now wars are fought out of hate and revenge. The role of photography used to be to inform people of the reality of what was going on, now it's used to scare them. We are living in a culture of fear, fear of other countries, fear of other races, fear of our neighbours. I have no doubt that there are some truly bad people out there, but I don't think all is lost. Maybe for a change photography should focus on the good instead of the bad. We already know people are dying, massacres happen, innocent people die, starve, get sick... what's new????? We are a product of the images we see everyday, maybe if we saw something different....who knows, perhaps we wouldn't be scared of humanity. Maybe I'm just too positive, but maybe others are too negative. As for the cause of the war on Irak: Wag the Dog.
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| Faulty Logic [message #1095 is a reply to message #117 ] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 17:20 |
Miller, Glenn McGaha
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Glenn McGaha Miller - 06:49am Jun 7, 2004
<bquote>"...but will also stand in for the shame many feel for allowing themselves to be swayed in providing support for this war that indeed was not necessary."</bquote>
While I'm thrilled to have found this website and will look forward to following it and participating in it, I must point out that the above quote represents a gross flaw in logic. Why should the debased actions of our de-Godded military sway us in our support or lack there of for a war that may or may not have been necessary?
You start out your article with an excellent premise: That the images of this war to date are not the work of what in the past was called the professional press. But deviating to assert your own political agenda that falls outside the scope of your own premise does you a disservice and harms your credibility as a thought provoking writer.
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